Hmm...it seems weird to have an English-ified Visual Novel. Anyway, what happens with Linn if the player chooses to be a girl?

Oh wait, the gender of Linn depends on the gender of the pro, I see.

I think the idea of choose a protagonist and change the story according to it is AMAZING.
It sounds too ambitious and frankly too complex, but very exciting.

The problem would be write two points of views... I don't think that someone would be capable of write a male-side of the story and female-side of the story and the other problem would be the coherence of both stories.

So those two branch would be similar? or maybe really different paths?

The interesting point could be the scenarios and minor characters would be remain the same (like recycling the story)...

The second is the narrative you are proposing. Sounds like a hell development in the future.

I would love to join... but I'm not an English speaker (skilled at least).

laamentio wrote:I think the idea of choose a protagonist and change the story according to it is AMAZING.
It sounds too ambitious and frankly too complex, but very exciting.

The problem would be write two points of views... I don't think that someone would be capable of write a male-side of the story and female-side of the story and the other problem would be the coherence of both stories.

I don't think that it's too complex, if you really think about it. Simply set down the points that you want covered in both story lines and then have two different writers or teams of writers work on those lines, making sure to cover the required points.

laamentio wrote:So those two branch would be similar? or maybe really different paths?

I think, personally, they would need to be very different. Men and women do think and remember thing in very different ways.

laamentio wrote:The interesting point could be the scenarios and minor characters would be remain the same (like recycling the story)...

I think that their basic mannerisms should be the same, but with the differing gender's POVs there would be subtle things that would be different.

laamentio wrote:The second is the narrative you are proposing. Sounds like a hell development in the future.

but sounds like FUN!!!

laamentio wrote:I would love to join... but I'm not an English speaker (skilled at least).

That what people like me are for, I am a certified English teacher (our of work right now) and I'm more than willing to work with anyone on editing and or helping out in any way.

@MrBackpack

I won't discuss you.

You have a point in every comment you did.

I didn't really want to criticize the idea of this VN. It's the most interesting design I've heard in the last months.

BeingNoone really was inspired that very day.

I joined to this forum to see how it will be the early development of this story. Many times one have the opportunity of see the finished product... well I wish see someone cooking an idea here.

MrBackpack wrote:

Wait wait wait.

I was not trying to criticize you at all, I like his idea as well. I just felt as though all your points deserved their own little bit of attention and comment. I'm a lot like BeingNone, I was inspired as well, I'm going to be posting my idea in the starting pad sub-forum.

My offer to help you out with English was genuine.

I didn't mean you where criticizing me. I just thought you had points there.

If you are interested in help me I would leave some comment, twist, idea and recommendation that it may come to mind.

But now I'm just to tired to bring something.

I'm connected just to clear mi mind of something happening here.

[quote="MrBackpack"]

laamentio wrote:I think the idea of choose a protagonist and change the story according to it is AMAZING.
It sounds too ambitious and frankly too complex, but very exciting.

The problem would be write two points of views... I don't think that someone would be capable of write a male-side of the story and female-side of the story and the other problem would be the coherence of both stories.

I don't think that it's too complex, if you really think about it. Simply set down the points that you want covered in both story lines and then have two different writers or teams of writers work on those lines, making sure to cover the required points.

MrBackpack wrote: I think that their basic mannerisms should be the same, but with the differing gender's POVs there would be subtle things that would be different.

Yet again, yes.

laamentio wrote:The second is the narrative you are proposing. Sounds like a hell development in the future.

MrBackpack wrote: but sounds like FUN!!!

Thanks you two. This project spec here is surely ambitious and complicated, but hey, its a brainstorming start, right?

laamentio wrote:I would love to join... but I'm not an English speaker (skilled at least).

Feel free to bring as much input to the discussion as you would like.

On another note though, I will be moving these comments to the discussion section of the forum.

I do like the Idea of being able to change the gender of the protagonist. And from what it sounds like, you all want it to change the way the story plays out for each arc. Great Idea! I was think though, that if it did end up taking to much time or being complex, that you could simply have guy, and girl interactions in the game with similar arc's to them. Kinda of like in a Kenji sort of way or who knows, maybe even choices between being gay or straight? But this way you can still have the same responses with same characters, the only thing you change is gender and maybe some POV dialogue that the character would say to yourself influencing how you see the situation?

PS came from reddit. SN there is "munch112000"

Here to help in any way = )

Serenade wrote:PS came from reddit. SN there is "munch112000"

Here to help in any way = )

So you decided to take up the offer and break my balls.

Serenade wrote:I do like the Idea of being able to change the gender of the protagonist. And from what it sounds like, you all want it to change the way the story plays out for each arc. Great Idea! I was think though, that if it did end up taking to much time or being complex, that you could simply have guy, and girl interactions in the game with similar arc's to them.

That would be the idea anyway. We would be having to program a small set of menu options with a slightly different copypasta of the story.
I'm all for the idea of switching it up a bit though. The VN script I am writing is not very romance based. I think that there are enough romantic VNs as it is. Not that their won't be a relationship mind. As I already alluded to in the brief their will be at least one. The real challenge with gender and sexuality options is the selection design. It would mean writing one for the male and female anyway, but also having a version for a gay/lesbian encounter that is authentic. It depends on the long-term snags that will inevitably pop up.

I'm only on character personalities at present. It is early days, but keep it coming man.. This critique is invaluable. After all, predicting the obstacles will help the planning process..

Serenade wrote: Kinda of like in a Kenji sort of way or who knows, maybe even choices between being gay or straight? But this way you can still have the same responses with same characters, the only thing you change is gender and maybe some POV dialogue that the character would say to yourself influencing how you see the situation?

I get what your saying. The character of the protagonist has to remain consistent even with a difference in gender though. Imagine a female Hisao.. The male character was consistent dependant on the choices. What changed was the POV on certain things.
More laid back when on the Lilly/Hanako branch, More passionate on the Rin/Emi branch and more determined on the ShizuMish entity branch. There is no real reason to think that the monologues would not be that different in tone or character, just that the emphasis will shift through choices. The emphasis will just have a different tint with a different gender.


Say, you want to get involved?

I thought you would never ask!

PS sorry I havnt been here in the last few days. Im in the Army, stationed in Germany right now and we were doing training stuff out in the field for the past couple days = P

Serenade wrote:I thought you would never ask!

PS sorry I havnt been here in the last few days. Im in the Army, stationed in Germany right now and we were doing training stuff out in the field for the past couple days = P

No problem. But now I'm focussed in other story.
Don't worry when I have news probably I will PM you with new ideas about this story. I won't just drop it.
For now you can Re-read and try to correct the errors.
Add all the things you want and if you have suggestions just PM me.